Lee Trundle
3:09 Mon Dec 11
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Did you just say the "F" word, Alex V?!
(I don't mean Fletcher, who you'd have starting for us were he still here)
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Side of Ham
3:09 Mon Dec 11
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We got priced out of being The Academy decades ago, you might want to also stop Chelsea and Spurs youth set up's in our catchment area for starters and also all over the world after that.
Do you really think the big boys haven't already got this fully sewn up?
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Alex V
3:06 Mon Dec 11
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>>> Alex I referenced if we "flooded" the system with bought in younger players similar to the system used at the bigger clubs then it may be an issue for local lads, I like seeing our own in the first team like Rice
I like that too. As I say that's the aim. I don't see the benefit of flooding the system with younger players - I agree with you.
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Alex V
3:05 Mon Dec 11
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On the academy, if the club invested £30m+ in some training complex with the aim of nurturing the best young players in the world, would you see results overnight? No it would take years for the effects to filter through. But that is a way for Sullivan to create a genuine legacy for the club rather than his current legacy which is him and Brady strongarming his marketing team to exploit fans for every penny. And actually to Side of Ham's point, it would be a match for the sort of ambition we might associate a big stadium with. It would be something we should genuinely demand, that we could be proud of, and that would be far more important to us than fucking Carvalho or some other mercenary signing.
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Side of Ham
3:04 Mon Dec 11
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I'd hope you'd look to aim higher than Bournemouth & Swansea and look to tag a bit of your dream to what Spurs are doing like all the other dreamy Spurs loving business module cunts on here.Thing is Spurs DO have a standing within the game to get these finds to join them over rabble we don't.
In fact V. i think you are a Spurs fan on a wind up as all you are advocating is their plan already in place.
It won't happen for us we've had most if not nearly all our history based on being unambitious and when we did show real ambition it was well before the money took over.The clubs that do make this work and their MOVES to massive stadiums to work are the ones with an already big standing within the English game.Man City & Chelsea already had better histories than us in competitions and still needed a massive injection of cash to catapult them into the realms of buying the very best talent young or at their peak.
You Alex want to advocate the impossible that NO ONE else has managed to sustain, finding Kantes & Kanes on a regular basis to then sell them to the big boys.
What fucking dream that would be and fully justify the move to a stadium too big for your already being done by better clubs 'project'.
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North Bank
3:04 Mon Dec 11
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Alex I referenced if we "flooded" the system with bought in younger players similar to the system used at the bigger clubs then it may be an issue for local lads, I like seeing our own in the first team like Rice
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Alex V
2:56 Mon Dec 11
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North Bank 2:49 Mon Dec 11
Would a young player at West Ham be disheartened when the club brings in Fletcher or Quina? I'm not sure. The ambition would be to have a good-enough academy that you don't need to supplement it from outside. But realistically that may be a long way off. I can't imagine how young players could be any more disheartened than they have been in recent years, regardless of other young signings.
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Driz
2:50 Mon Dec 11
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I wish this fucker would keep his mouth shut. What an embarrassing amount of drivel from a blabbering clueless and classless man.
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Alex V
2:49 Mon Dec 11
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>>> explain their one in - one out transfer policy that was closer to a one in - three out transfer policy during the summer
Are you talking to me? Overall it was 4 in, 5 out, if you're talking about senior players. The current size of the squad is probably due to FFP again. If you pay £150k per week to Hernandez, way above the average we can pay to a senior player, you have to have a smaller squad to afford it.
I'm not defending what was done in the Summer. I said throughout the Summer I agreed with almost none of it. Others were doing cartwheels on here - your comment might be better directed at them. I'd like to see their answers.
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North Bank
2:49 Mon Dec 11
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Alex regarding the investment in youth it's a fine line, if you flood the youth system with bought in players from the age of 16 onwards then it's easy to dishearten the ones that have come through the ranks and ultimately stifle any home grown talent, over the last few windows we've seen may youngsters transferred in from other clubs, Martinez, Quinoa, Samuelsen, Fernandes, Haksabanovic, Fletcher at all levels so maybe the penny has finally dropped with the owners
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claret on my shirt
2:43 Mon Dec 11
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Fonte calls Sullivan comments "Ignorance" wow Sully your really helping build team morale and club unity
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Takashi Miike
2:42 Mon Dec 11
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come on, I'm waiting......
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Alex V
2:42 Mon Dec 11
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Which of their 'best players' have Bournemouth sold, out of interest?
And I'm sure if you asked Huw Jenkins today what one of his biggest errors was at Swansea, he'd say hanging on to Michu at the peak of his value. Huge error.
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Takashi Miike
2:41 Mon Dec 11
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explain their one in - one out transfer policy that was closer to a one in - three out transfer policy during the summer
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Side of Ham
2:39 Mon Dec 11
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Of course it is, except we won't be in control of that AGENTS will.
Another reason it will fail.
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Alex V
2:37 Mon Dec 11
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Side of Ham 2:30 Mon Dec 11
>>> Before they started having to sell their best players...
More proof that you don't understand the first thing about what my 'plan' might be. One of the biggest principles that I believe in is that player sales are an essential part of a well-run transfer policy.
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Alex V
2:32 Mon Dec 11
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North Bank 2:08 Mon Dec 11
>>> Alex you mentioned earlier that the Club's transfer policy is for the here and now but the reality is they have been investing in youth alongside that, something you've always desired
Very small investments though compared to the big decisions on big signings. We see the results of a bit of that with Rice and Masuaku, but we need a lot more of it. It needs to be the centre of the club's philosophy, not the tiny side-bet.
>>> West Ham have many. many issues but the biggest at any Club for it to be successful on the pitch, not just ours, is appointment of the Manager followed by recruitment of players, that's something we've been poor at for decades
Agreed. But it has been exacerbated when the manager has too much of a hand in recruiting the players. Few other clubs do that nowadays, and when they do it tends to be to placate a 'super-coach' like Klopp or Guardiola. Not a model we can use anymore. But without a structure in place to replace it you end up with the sort of vacuum at the club that's been there in recent years.
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Side of Ham
2:30 Mon Dec 11
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Before they started having to sell their best players and then spending big to replace them V Bournemouth and Swansea are EXACTLY what you are advocating.
See the first bit there...........the DOWNFALL of your cunning plan.
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Alex V
2:27 Mon Dec 11
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Side of Ham 2:05 Mon Dec 11
You're talking about stadiums being at capacity. If that's your focus then fine, it's not mine. If the stadium is half-full while we win the league I wouldn't care, but it wouldn't be. The club should aim to be successful on the pitch as a priority.
>>> Swansea AND Bournemouth are fine advocates of what you are aspiring West Ham to do
Absolutely not. I have been fiercely critical of Bournemouth - I think they've taken a series of major gambles that if they falter would probably destroy their club, I think they're one of the worst examples around. Swansea I think did brilliantly to get up and stay up as long as they have, and I like some aspects of their approach, but others I really don't - they have done nothing with youth, and really a lot of their transfer business seems scattergun and not really that creative.
As I've said repeatedly the best examples are Spurs, Arsenal and Southampton. But we cannot copy any of them - our circumstances are different, and the best answers will therefore be different. All clubs make mistakes. You have to look at clubs and try and work out what makes them succeed - what is happening at Lyon at the moment for example. Or Leipzig. There are lots of interesting things going on where clubs are searching for ways to compete, almost none of the currently available answers involve windfall spending for FFP reasons I've already explained.
The trap imo is the outdated paradigm of taking any money you can and spending it on the players with the biggest reputations in the market. It's a mirage imo, propped up by outdated thinking and the influence of agents, players, the media and supporters who all have something to gain from believing it. It doesn't work, and I think the evidence of that is all over the place. Yet that is what Sullivan has broadly continued with and what most supporters seem to want him to do more of - idiocy imo!
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BRANDED
2:22 Mon Dec 11
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Did we win on Saturday because of their decisions?
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Side of Ham
2:13 Mon Dec 11
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There is two sides......there the freephone side and then theres the premium phone line side.
Guess which side those cunts on until they get caught?
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